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Night Scenes in the BibleDaniel Marsh 1868—1870 |
Testimony for the Church, vol. 5; p. 68Ellen G. White. June 20, 1882 |
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We must not defer our obedience till every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of mistake is removed. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith, for faith rests upon probability, not demonstration . . .we must obey the voice of duty when there are many other voices crying against it, and it requires earnest heed to distinguish the one which speaks for God. We must cherish the impulse of conscience in the moment when it urges us to action, lest it cease from its promptings and we be left to the blind guidance of appetite and passion. |
If you refuse to believe until every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of doubt is removed you will never believe. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith. Faith rests upon evidence, not demonstration. The Lord requires us to obey the voice of duty, when there are other voices all around us urging us to pursue an opposite course. It requires earnest attention from us to distinguish the voice which speaks for God. We must resist and conquer inclination, and obey the voice of conscience without parleying or compromise, lest its prompting cease and will and impulse control. |
| Testimony for the Church, vol. 3; p. 258, 1872—5 |
Letter to Dr. Paulson, June 14, 1906 Selected Messages vol. 1, pp 27—28 |
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I was shown that God has laid upon on my husband and me a special work. . . and many will defer their obedience to the warning and reproofs given, waiting till every shadow of uncertainty is removed from their minds. The unbelief that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to the evidence that God is pleased to give. He requires of His people faith that rests upon the weight of evidence, not upon perfect knowledge. Those followers of Christ who accept the light that God sends them must obey the voice of God speaking to them when there are many other voices crying out against it. It requires discernment to distinguish the voice of God. |
If you refuse to believe until every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of doubt is removed, you will never believe. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith. faith rests upon evidence, not demonstration. The Lord requires us to obey the voice of duty, when there are other voices all around us urging us to pursue an opposite course. It requires earnest attention from us to distinguish the voice which speaks from God. We must resist and conquer inclination, and obey the voice of conscience without parleying or compromise, lest its promptings cease and will and impulse control. |
In all of these cases, Ellen White is promoting her authority as the voice of God, her instructions as first from God. Yet, in spite of the fact that she is using the words, thoughts, and sentence structure of another, we are suppose to believe that God is speaking what she is saying. He is not.
The conviction or assumption that God was showing Ellen White all that she said she saw from whatever source she gleaned the information, started very early with Ellen. In a book written by Delbert W. Baker, a black Adventist minister, entitled The Unknown Prophet, Baker produces some interesting information. Foy, who is Baker’s unknown prophet, had his ‘vision’ from 1842—1845. On page 123 Baker states that Mrs. White in 1912 said
“He had all these before I had them. They were written out and published. She indicates that at one time she possessed a copy of them.”In Dec. 1844, at the age of 17, Ellen had her first vision, which was full of ‘I saw’, or ‘I was shown, or ‘the angel said,’ it was a duplication of Foy’s ‘vision’ and on pages 95 and others of Baker’s book, a list of the similarities are given. The garments, countenance, eyes, legs, feet, crown, arm, hand, voice and some of the scenes are identical, often with Ellen using the same words. Only a few examples need be given of the many to make the point that Ellen’s ‘vision’ was not given by God to Ellen, but was taken from Foy. Wherever he claimed he got it, it is possible that she believed God gave it to her, but others did not always believe as she did.
Christian Experience of W. E. Foy |
Christian Experience of E.G.W. 1846 |
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“I then see countless millions
of shining ones coming with cards held in their hands. These shining ones became our guides. The cards, they bore shone above the brightness of the sun; and they placed them in our hands but the names of them I could not read.
“There were countless millions of bright angels, whose wings were like pure gold, and they sang with loud voices, while their wings cried, holy. “Behind the angel I beheld countless millions of bright chariots...each chariot had four wings like flaming fire and an angel followed after the chariot, and the wings of the chariot, and the wings of the angel cried as one voice saying, ‘holy.’ The Unknown Prophet, pp 10-11, 18 |
"All the angels that are commissioned to visit the earth hold a golden card, which they present to the angels at the gates of the city as they pass in and out." Early Writings, p. 39
"On either side of the chariot were wings and beneath it wheels. As the chariot rolled upward, the wheels cried 'holy' and the wings as they moved, cried 'holy'. "And as the chariot rolled upward the wheels cried, ‘holy’ and the wings as they moved, cried, ‘holy’ and the retinue of holy angels, around the cloud cried, ’holy’ ‘holy’ Lord God Almighty" Early Writings p. 35; Spiritual Gifts vol. 1, p. 208 |
In spite of Delbert Baker’s provocative title and his presuppositions about God and the ‘visions’ that William Foy was supposed to have had, there is no evidence given in his book that Foy was a prophet, let alone an unknown one. Nothing that he said he saw or what was later copied by Ellen White has proven to be true or a prophecy. It cannot even be said that the ‘people of God’ of the ‘visions’ had anything to do with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, as Ellen White would have people believe, in as much as there was no Seventh-day Adventist church at that time, and none of the rest of the events listed can be examined or proved.
Perhaps one of the greatest shocks to the Adventist myth of Ellen’s ‘divine visions’ came with the publication by Harper's Row of Ronald Numbers book Prophetess of Health in 1976. In the book, Numbers documents dozens of parallels where Ellen White is paraphrasing or even using the same words, thoughts and language of others and insisting that what she was seeing was coming directly from God. But Numbers had only scratched the surface as the following references will show Ellen was copying not just from the doctors of her time, but from many, many others in every field of thought she wrote about, always making sure that the ‘vision’ or ‘scene’ sounded as if she herself was there to ‘see’ or ‘hear’ what was actually taking place.
Beginning with the first volume of the Testimonies to the Church, covering the period from 1855-1868, to the last volume nine, Ellen used whatever writers she wished to agree with and claimed it all came from God, but always to her first, never giving credit to any other source. Listed below are hundreds of references in her writings where she has taken and used the thoughts, words, and even the suppositions of other uninspired writers and made them inspired by insisting that what she was seeing and saying was coming directly from God. Time and space will not allow side by side comparisons as has been done in the book The White Lie, but anyone wishing to do so can do so if they are able to obtain the books listed, many of which were listed by the E.G. White Estate as being in Ellen’s own library while she was working with her helpers on her writings for the Church. The names of the authors that Ellen used are listed and where the statements that she copied can be found.
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Testimonies |
p. 371: I was shown pp. 494-5 |
Marsh p. 90: Our Fathers House Wiley . pp . 29—33 U. Smith, Prophetess of Health p. 112 |
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vol. 2: 1868—1871 |
What the Lord has shown me. pp 60—67, 96 Look to Jesus p.
123 I have been shown, p. 347 p. 362, On Health pp.364,384 The Lord has given me a view of some of the corruption pp 391,403 409, 486 |
Cole, Philosophy of Health p.60- Marsh, home life, pp. 210,607 Cole, pp. 266,267 Miller, the cause of exhausted vitality pg. 114 Cole, pg. 538 Miller pp. 39, 43, 110, 114, 350 |
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vol. 3: 1872—1875 |
In the view given me pp. 68—72 pp. 138—142 I was shown that God had laid upon . . . me pp. 258—259 pp. 273—274, Elijah pp. 333—4 pp. 368—370 pp. 487,562—5 |
Cole, The Health Reformer 9—144 Horace Mann, Cole, How to Live, pg. 135 Marsh, Night Scenes pp. 68-70 Marsh, Night Scenes pp. 200,334,339 pp. 49—50 Mirror of the Soul, 1835 Marsh, Night Scenes, pp. 58-62 Cole, pp 79, 104 |
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vol. 4: 1876—1881 |
p. 60 Biographies pp 144-148 Obedience pp.163,253 pp.280—2, Spirit of the Lord p. 374 p. 409 p. 444 p. 480 p. 543 p. 594 |
Melville, Sermons by Melville ii 3-5 Cole p. 127 Marsh, Night Scenes pp 47—9,203, 60—62, 242, 98, 45—60 Gardener, Ministry of Healing, 1892 Marsh, Walks, pp. 313—4 Melville, pg 95 Marsh, Night Scenes, 98,99, 101 Harris, pp 150—60 Marsh, our fathers house pp 190-1 Melville, last prophecy |
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vol. 5: 1882— 1889 |
pp. 68—70 I was told pp. 118—121 p. 133 pp. 154—156 pp. 204—206 pp. 266—268, 270 p. 314 p. 467 pp. 512—516 p. 686 p. 704 p. 707 pp. 735—736 p. 737 |
Marsh, Night Scenes, pp. 201—204 Melville, pp. 163—168 Marsh, Night Scenes p 263 Harris, pp. 150—156 Harris, pp. 19,30,45, 48. Harris, pp. 9,98 Miller, p. 27 Marsh, Walks, p. 133 Marsh, Night Scenes, p. 352 Secrets pp. 68—69 Melville, p. 190 Harris, p. 9 Melville, p. 369 Melville, p. 68, 83 Harris, pp 113—117 |
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vol. 6: 1990-1 |
pp. 58—60 He said p. 91 pp. 185— 186 p. 340 pp. 349—5 1 pp. 363—4 |
Harris, pp. 17, 20 xiv Harris, The Great Teacher, pp. 151—160 Melville, Sermons vol; 2, p. 42 Marsh, Our Fathers House, p. 104 Andrews, J. N., History of the Sabbath, 22-pp. 105—108 Harris, pp. 105-108 |
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vol. 7: 1902 |
p. 16 The Church p. 148 p. 159 p. 276 |
Harris, p. 160 Harris, p. 71 Harris, p. 125 Harris, p. 318 |
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vol. 8: 1904
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p. 15 p. 21 pp 177-8 p. 201 pp 259-60 pp 309—310 |
Harris, p. 32 Harris, p. 27 Harris, pp. 107—8 Harris, p. 112 Melville. pp. 42—45 Andrews, J.N., History of the Sabbath Harris, pp. 51, 278, 294 |
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vol. 9: 1909 |
pp. 50-51 p. 97 p. 256 |
Melville, pp. 192—199—200 Harris, p. 64 Marsh, p. 16,134 |
In this study we have shown examples of how all through the years of writing for the Testimonies for the Church from vol. 1 through 9, from the years 1855 to 1909, Ellen White was using the thoughts, words and structure of other writers for her ‘I was shown’. From the beginning with the ‘vision’ of William Foy to the end of her life she used the ‘inspiration’ of others to promote Adventism and her concept of its life style that was necessary’ to please her God.
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| Saul of Tarsus, ... bore a leading part in the discussions which here took place. .this is evident from the fact that he was appointed to an important ecclesiastical and political office immediately afterwards. E. G. White. pp. 38—72 |
Saul was also present, and took a leading part against Stephen . . . after the death of Stephen, he was elected a member of the Sanhedrim council, in consideration of the part he had acted on that occasion. Conybeare & Howson pp 9-20 |
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An overruling providence permitted the apostle to be delayed. E.G.W. 194—206 |
It was doubtless overruled for good that it should be so, C. & H. 585—619 |
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Thrilling were the memories that they recalled of the days when the light which shone upon the face of Stephen upturned to heaven as he suffered martyrdom. E.G.W. p. 204 |
There must have flourished up in their minds many a touching reminiscence of the days when the light of heaven, which had once shone on the face of Stephen upturned to heaven in the agony of martyrdom. Farrar, pp. 519-20 |
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The memory of that scene, and of his own efforts, to secure the condemnation of the servant of Christ, came vividly before his mind. E.G.W. pp. 214—234 |
That moment could hardly be forgotten by him, but he looked steadily at his inquisitors. Conybeare & Howson pp. 621—652 |
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These words were not an outburst of passion. Under the influence of the Holy Spirit Paul uttered a prophetic denunciation similar to that which Christ had uttered in rebuking the hypocrisy of the Jews. The judgment pronounced by the apostle was terribly fulfilled when the iniquitous and hypocritical high priest was murdered by assassins in the Jewish war. But the bystanders regarded the words of Paul as profane, and exclaimed with horror... Ellen G. White. pp. 214—234 |
If we consider these words as an outburst of natural indignation, we cannot severely blame them... If we regard them as a prophetic denunciation they were terribly fulfilled when this hypocritical president of the Sanhedrin was murdered by the assassins in the Jewish war. Conybeare & Howson pp. 621—652 |
| Here Julius, the centurion who had listened to the apostle’s address before Agrippa. Ellen G. White pp. 262—271 |
And Julius who can hardly have been absent from the brilliant throng who had listened to Paul’s address before Agrippa. Farrar pp. 562—573 |
Thus over and over again, hundreds of times in all her writings she took the speculations, assumptions, and even the fantasies of other writers she was copying and made them absolutes, and in some cases, by her own testimony, the words of the holy Spirit. It seems a deliberate attempt to use the works and words and ideas of others to make those that read her believe that Ellen was carried back in time and was able to read the mind and thoughts and intents of each situation and then interpret for God the times and events of those events she was describing. She does not, as some have tried to argue, follow the thoughts of scripture narrative, but is totally projecting the speculations of others as the thoughts of God.
There are hundreds of other pages that could be given, each with its copy work from other authors, never giving credit to anyone but God and I was shown. An interesting aside can be found in vol. 2 of the Testimonies, p. 116, where Ellen said of her thoughts from a ‘vision’ ‘I was deeply impressed’. And again in the same volume p. 565, ‘Yesterday I had some time for reflection and now have a few thoughts that I wish to present to you.’ Had words such as these been given in the place of I was shown, Ellen White would not have reached the statue of infallibility that her writings did, nor would she have been canonized as we have done! Every sincere priest, every honest prophet, every devout pastor, when they have spoken or written, have believed homiletically, they were delivering God’s message, through them by all their 'I was shown' no matter how or where they got their ‘inspiration.’ Most congregations recognize that a person was speaking in the name of God, not God speaking in the name of a person. What a difference it could have made in Adventism, if we had accepted the same wisdom.
A careful or even casual observation of history will convince any honest researcher that it is made up of the records of people, nations, tribes, or families that have ‘borrowed’ or ‘stole’ without returning or giving credit, someone else's, ideas, words, possessions or goods and land, and then they have claimed throughout all future time that they didn’t do it and have died defending their lies. But only a few have been able to survive, some with great respect and following, by claiming that God either helped them do what they did or at least told them how and where to do it. And why is this done in humanity? The reason is also very clear. We want to possess or control those around us and what better way to do this than to make God our partner and ally. Thus, we have the history of politics and religion since the beginning of time.
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